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Dear Sung,
thanks for the comprehensive reply. It is in "your" world, not
"mine".
SJ:
">...DEAD or ALIVE do not apply to molecules in my opinion, because the
smallest living entity is the cell. So a cell can be living or dead, but
the molecular components of a cell are neither alive nor dead, regardless
of whether or not they are a part of a living cell or dead cell....<
JM:
My mistake: I used 'live' without acceptable ID of the term.
(Dead I identified with the lack of such.) In my views there is much more
to anything than identified in conventional science views ('your world') - even
a 'cell' is unrestrictedly(?) connected and influenced by factors 'outside' such
cell (besides its connections to in-organizational partners) and I thought of 2
different such outside 'networking' - when callable live or dead. All
circumstances are not (yet?) knowable, some are disclosed in our
present level of the epistemic process. ((one helps proliferation and biological
functioning, the other rather oxidative etc. decomposition)).
However we use of the *organization* of cells the different terms 'live'
and 'dead' and my question referred to the latter when the "assipative" factors
are different from maintaining the (live??) biology-processes of the
cell-built organization.
Corrected: "are DNA molecules embedded in a 'dead' bio - organization still
storing (bio)'usable' reserves of energy?"
<Live? should we restrict this quale to the terrestrial
biology - i.e. the C-etc.-Water based complex contraptions - subject to the so
far poorly/partially discovered 'bio'-related sciences? Or is it extendable to
anything at all responding to information? (as in (my) generalized
'consciousness' of
thing, function, ideation)?>
Words...words...,
Regards
John M
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:02
AM
Subject: Re: What is a gene? A dynamic
& triadic definition of a gene
John,
Thanks for your comments.
>
Sung, > your post is commendable, an advanced treatise to extend the
narrowness of > the limited model-view even in the 'more advanced'
version of the obsolete > views (definitions). > > As usual:
I have 2 questions. > > 1. Isn't there a chance for a 'reversed'
Prigogine effect: to > 'assipate'(!!) factors INTO the process from the
ambience, maybe at least > not not yet recognised, or even
discovered?
Are you referring to the opposite of "dissipate"?
Perhaps plant leaves can be said to "assipate" free energy through their
photosynthesis. Leaves are open systems, and they must receive more free
energy from its environment than dissipate free energy into its
environment, so that they can store free energy in the form of
carbohydrates.
Since every term must have its antonym, "dissipate" must
also, and "assipate" sounds to me like a good
candidate.
> > 2. If there is 'mechanically' stored energy in
the (unassigned?) DNA > stretches, is such energy capable of being put
to use from DEAD tissue?
DEAD or ALIVE do not apply to molecules in my
opinion, because the smallest living entity is the cell. So a cell
can be living or dead, but the molecular compoents of a cell are neither
alive nor dead, regardless of whether or not they are a part of a living
cell or dead cell.
There are experimental evidence that the mechanical
energy stored in DNA molecules play an important role in gene expression,
especillay in chromatin remodeling (i.e., the opening or closing of
chromatin segments to expose the appropriate DNA sequences for
transcription or replication as required by the need of the cell). There
are many ATP-dependent chromatin remodeling enzymes that have been
discovered during the past decade or so. One article lists 49 of them
[A. Traverse and T. Owen-Hughes, "Nucleosome remodeling", in: Chromatin
Strcutre amnd Dynamics: State-of-the-Art (J. Zlatanova and S. H. Leuba,
eds., Elsevier, 2004, pp. 421-465].
(I > think of some
answers: "dead" may mean that it lost such capability > together with
other transformations, the other is the fact that > transplantations are
feasible. I may be lay-wrong.) > > Respects > > John
M > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
sji > To: complex-science@necsi.org >
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:54 PM > Subject: What is a
gene? A dynamic & triadic definition of a
gene > > > (Yaneer, if it is not too late,
please replace my previous post with > this >
one. Thanks. Sung) > > The most widely
accepted definition of a gene during the past four >
decades > has been a stretch of DNA that codes for a
protein. Although this simple > definition of a gene served
well for the 20th-century molecular biology > and genetics,
the new data that have been emerging since the mid-1990's >
(when DNA microarrays were invented) have made the
protein-centered > definition of a gene obsolete [1,2,3]. A
new definition proposed by > Gerstein and his coworkers at
Yale now includes as a gene those DNA > regions that code
for RNA as well [2]: > >
"A gene is a union of genomic sequences encoding
a > coherent set of
potentially overlapping
functional >
products."
. . . . . (1) > > The important phrase here is
"functional products", by which the authors > mean proteins
and RNA molecules that are biologically active. > >
The new definition of a gene given in (1) was motivated by the
recent > unexpected finding [1,3] that a large portion of
the human genome (about > 30% of the DNA mass), although not
coding for any proteins, nevertheless > code for RNA
molecules whose functions have not yet all been >
characterized. > > There are two aspects to the
definition of a gene given in (1) that I > believe require
revisions: > > i) It is too static,
being based solely on gene "products", i.e., > proteins and
RNA, which are "equilibrium structures". According
to > Prigogine (917-2003)[4], there are two fundamental
classes of > structures in nature -- equilibrium (e.g.,
rocks, chairs, DNA double > helix, nucleotide or amino acid
sequences) and dissipative structures > (e.g., the flame of
a candle, all sorts of gradients, action potentials, > gene
expression profiles). One convenient way to distinguish
dissipative > structures from equilibrium structures is to
remember that, when energy > input is stopped, the former
disappears but the latter remains. > For example, when a
computer is turned off, the primary memory (a > dissipative
structure) in CPU disappears but the secondary memory (an >
equilibrium structure) in the hard disk
remains. > > ii) It excludes those DNA
regions that regulate gene expression > (called >
promoters, enhancers, silencers, etc.) without producing any proteins
or > RNA. In other words, Gerstein et al's definition of a
gene excludes > "dissipative structures" which would include
all regulatory processes in > the living cell. This is what
Gerstein et al state [2]: > >
"Although regulatory regions are important for
gene > expression, we suggest that
they should not be > considered in
deciding whether multiple products >
belong to the same gene. . . . " . . . . . . . .
. . . (2) > > To remedy these perceived
shortcomings, I suggest that the concept of > "dissipative
structures" [4] be incorporated into the definition of a >
gene > itself. One way to do this is as
follows: > > "A gene is a
DISSIPATIVE STRUCTURE that embodies
(or > stores) not only genetic
information (in the form of
a > nucleotide sequence of DNA
regions) but also mechanical >
energy (in the form of conformationally strained
DNA > regions) generated from
chemical reactions catalyzed >
by enzymes." . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (3) > > The fact that
active regions of DNA carry mechanical energy, for >
example, > in the form of DNA supercoils, has been well
established [5]. Such > mechanical energy stored in
DNA has been variously referred to as > conformons [6] and
"Stress-Induced Duplex Destabilizations" or SIDDS >
[5]. > > The definition of a gene given in (3) is
tantamount to postulating that > a > gene is a
molecular machine composed of DNA segments and associated >
proteins that stores mechanical energy generated from chemical
reactions > and uses this energy to transcribe its sequence
information into RNA > molecules whenever and wherever
needed in the cell for a right duration > of >
time. > > The definition of a gene given by (1) can be
made compatible with the > definition given by (3) if we
make the following two
postulates: > >
"The whole DNA carries three kinds of genes --
p-genes > coding for
proteins, r-genes coding for RNA,
and > d-genes coding for
DNA molecules." . . . . . . (4) > > The
existence of d-genes is self-evident, since DNA serves as the >
template > for its own replication and this ability of DNA
is heritable from one > cell > generation to the
next. > > "DNA
carries not only genetic/sequence information
but > also the
mechanical energy (called conformons or
SIDDS) > to power
gene expression. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. (5) > > In other words, by combining the
dissipative structure concept of > Prigogine [4] and the
conformon concept introduced in molecular biology > more
than three decades ago (reviewed in [6]), a new definition of a >
gene > can be > formulated in two parts as
follows: > > i) "DNA carries
three kinds of genes, each
coding > for
proteins (p-genes), RNA molecules
(r-genes), > and
DNA molecules (d-genes)." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.(6) > > ii) "DNA stores mechanical
energy in the form
of >
conformons or SIDDS that powers
the >
spatiotemporally organized motions of
chromatins >
in order to express p-, r- and d-genes
in >
response to the signals received from
the >
cytosol."
. . . . . . . . . . . (7) > > Statement (6) can be
regarded as a definition of terms that are >
compatible > with facts, and what is original in the
proposed 'triadic' definition of > a > gene is
contained in Statement (7) in the concept of conformons [6]
or > SIDDS [5]. Conformons are defined as the
sequence-specific > conformational > strains of
biopolymers that carry 'ordered energy' to power >
goal-directed > molecular motions [6]. The first
direct experimental evidence for > conformons in DNA was
provided by DNA supercoils [5] and for conformons >
in > proteins by the single-molecule measurements of myosin
motions along > actin > filament [7]. Also, Statement
(6) deals with the informational aspects > of > a
gene, while Statement (7) is concerned primarily with the
energetic > aspect of a gene, consistent with the
information-energy complementarity > principle believed to
underlie all self-orgnaizng processes in nature >
[8]. > > With all the
best. > > Sung > >
___________________________________________ > Sungchul Ji,
Ph.D. > Department of Pharmacology and
Toxicology > Rutgers University >
Piscataway, N.J., 08855 > > >
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