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From: <complex-science@necsi.org> (Thanasis Argiriou)
Sender: <y3list1@necsi.org> (Yaneer Bar-Yam)
Subject: compexity of words and language
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:27:43 -0400
To: complex-science
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In other matters for some reason I continue to search for etymology, though I do not know if my etymology dictum dictionary is unbiased, so all the rest that follows goes to nothingness
 
 
matter Look up matter at Dictionary.com
c.1300, "material of thought, speech, or expression," from Anglo-Norm. matere, from L. materia "substance from which something is made," also "hard inner wood of a tree" (cf. Port. madeira "wood"), perhaps from mater "origin, source, mother." Or, on another theory, it represents *dmateria, from PIE root *dem-/*dom- (cf. L. domus "house," Eng. timber). With sense development influenced by Gk. hyle, of which it was the equivalent in philosophy. Meaning "substance of which physical objects are made" is attested from c.1340. That of "grounds, reason, or cause for something" also is first recorded 1340.

 

So matter became matter in the 1340? and the atom?

 

1477, as a hypothetical body, the building block of the universe, from L. atomus (especially in Lucretius), from Gk. atomos "uncut," from a- "not" + tomos "a cutting," from temnein "to cut." An ancient term of philosophical speculation (in Leucippus, Democritus), revived 1805 by British chemist Dalton. Atomic is from 1678 as a philosophical term; scientific sense dates from 1811. Atomic energy first recorded 1906; atomic bomb first recorded 1914 in writings of H.G. Wells, who thought of it as a bomb "that would continue to explode indefinitely." Atom bomb is from 1945; Atomic Age is from 1945.

 

Funny how whole disciplines of science became simple references in language

and

 

reality of the nucleus?

 

General sense of "central part or thing, about which others cluster" is from 1762. Use in reference to cells first recorded 1831. Modern atomic meaning is 1912, first by Ernest Rutherford, though theoretical use for "central point of an atom" is from 1844, in Faraday.

 

reality?

 

reality Look up reality at Dictionary.com
1550, originally a legal term in the sense of "fixed property," from M.L. realitatem (nom. realitas), from L.L. realis; meaning "real existence" is from 1647

 

reason?

 

reason (n.) Look up reason at Dictionary.com
...Meaning "sanity" is recorded from, c.1380. The verb (c.1300) is from O.Fr. raisoner, from L.L. rationare "to discourse."
 
discourse Look up discourse at Dictionary.com
c.1374, alteration of L. discursus "a running about," in L.L. "conversation," from stem of discurrere "run about," from dis- "apart" + currere "to run." Sense of "formal speech or writing" is first recorded 1581 

 

bias Look up bias at Dictionary.com
1530, from M.Fr. biasis "slant, oblique," from O.Prov. biais, possibly from V.L. *(e)bigassius, from Gk. epikarsios "slanting, oblique," from epi- "upon" + karsios "oblique." Transferred sense of "predisposition, prejudice" is from 1572.
unbiased Look up unbiased at Dictionary.com
1607, lit., in ref to throws at bowls, from un- (1) "not" + pp. of bias. Fig. sense of "impartial, unprejudiced" is recorded from 1647
 
Still I am not that, more or less than the etymology dict?
 
 
Still?
still (adj.) Look up still at Dictionary.com
O.E. stille "motionless, stationary," from W.Gmc. *steljaz (cf. O.Fris., M.L.G., M.Du. stille, Du. stil, O.H.G. stilli, Ger. still), from root *stel- "fixed, not moving, standing" (see stall (1)). Meaning "quiet, silent" emerged in later O.E.; noun meaning "quietness, the silent part" first attested 1608, in still of the night. The adverbial sense of "even now, even then, yet" (still standing there) is first recorded 1535.
 
I Look up I at Dictionary.com
12c. shortening of O.E. ic, first person sing. nom. pronoun, from P.Gmc. *ekan (cf. O.Fris. ik, O.N. ek, Norw. eg, Dan. jeg, O.H.G. ih, Ger. ich, Goth. ik), from PIE *ego(m) (cf. Skt. aham, Hitt. uk, L. ego, Gk. ego, Rus. ja). Reduced to i by 1137 in northern England, it began to be capitalized c.1250 to mark it as a distinct word and avoid misreading in handwritten manuscripts.
 
capital I? could it have a greater significance?
 
not?
not Look up not at Dictionary.com
negative particle, c.1250, unstressed variant of noht, naht "in no way" (see naught).
 
naught Look up naught at Dictionary.com
O.E. nawiht "nothing," lit "no whit," from na "no" (from PIE base *ne- "no, not;" see un- (1)) + wiht "thing, creature, being" (see wight).
 
wight Look up wight at Dictionary.com
O.E. wiht "living being, creature," from P.Gmc. *wekhtiz (cf. O.S. wiht "thing, demon," Du. wicht "a little child," O.H.G. wiht "thing, creature, demon," Ger. Wicht "creature, infant," O.N. vettr "thing, creature," Swed. vätte "spirit of the earth, gnome," Goth. waihts "something"). The only apparent cognate outside Gmc. is O.C.S. vešti "a thing." Not related to the Isle of Wight, which is from L. Vectis (c.150), originally Celtic, possibly meaning "place of the division."

 

why division?

 

 

divide (v.) Look up divide at Dictionary.com
c.1374, from L. dividere "to force apart, cleave, distribute," from dis- "apart" + -videre "to separate," from PIE base *widh- "to separate,"

 

dis?

 

dis- Look up dis- at Dictionary.com
prefix meaning 1. "lack of, not" (e.g. dishonest); 2. "do the opposite of" (e.g. disallow); 3. "apart, away" (e.g. discard), from O.Fr. des-, from L. dis- "apart," from PIE *dis- "apart, asunder" (cf. O.E. te-, O.S. ti-, O.H.G. ze-, Ger. zer-). The PIE root is a secondary form of *dwis- and is thus related to L. bis "twice" (originally *dvis) and to duo.

 

is it similar to

 

de-?

 

decide?

 

decide Look up decide at Dictionary.com
c.1380, from O.Fr. decider, from L. decidere "to decide," lit. "to cut off," from de- "off" + cædere "to cut" (see cement). Sense is of resolving difficulties "at a stroke." Originally "to settle a dispute;" meaning "to make up one's mind" is attested from 1830.

 

but if you just cut off, how do we settle a dispute?

 

Next question is why both the one dis- which means two

and the other whose one meaning is? negation de-

have negative meanings?

is it so in which cases and if my first supposition stands is why?

 

Knowledge from the past and the transition of religions? 

The daimons became demons, with the Christian reign,
Science?
and after that came logos to illuminate the heathens bringing the logic attested of the Greeks? and science  

Which Greeks?, meaning of what form?

 the ones beleiving to the myths and gods? the desdemones which in recent century onomatology means superstitious, and in ancient language , or the early scientists? that had not the ability to create the tech of today which is the triumph of scientific validate and reality, science is reality since it creates.

heathen?

heathen Look up heathen at Dictionary.com
O.E. hæðen "not Christian or Jewish," merged with O.N. heiðinn. Historically assumed to be from Goth. haiþno "gentile, heathen woman," used by Ulfilas in the first translation of the Bible into a Gmc. language (cf. Mark 7:26, for "Greek"); if so it could be a derivative of Goth. haiþi "dwelling on the heath," but this sense is not recorded. It may have been chosen on model of L. paganus (see pagan), or for resemblance to Gk. ethne (see gentile), or may in fact be a borrowing of that word, perhaps via Armenian hethanos. Like other words for exclusively Christian ideas (e.g. church) it would have come first into Gothic, then spread to other Gmc. languages.
 

desidemonas?

 

superstitious Look up superstitious at Dictionary.com
c.1386, from O.Fr. superstitieux, from L. superstitiosus, from superstitionem (nom. superstitio) "prophecy, soothsaying, excessive fear of the gods," perhaps originally "state of religious exaltation," related to superstes (gen. superstitis) "standing over or above," also "standing by, surviving," from superstare "stand on or over, survive," from super "above" (see super-) + stare "to stand," from PIE base *sta- "to stand" (see stet). There are many theories for the L. sense development, but none has yet triumphed. Superstition is attested from 1402. In Eng., originally especially of religion; sense of "unreasonable notion" is from 1794.

 

science?

science Look up science at Dictionary.com
c.1300, "knowledge (of something) acquired by study," also "a particular branch of knowledge," from O.Fr. science, from L. scientia "knowledge," from sciens (gen. scientis), prp. of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE base *skei- (cf. Gk. skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Goth. skaidan, O.E. sceadan "to divide, separate;" see shed (v.)). Modern sense of "non-arts studies" is attested from 1678. The distinction is commonly understood as between theoretical truth (Gk. episteme) and methods for effecting practical results (tekhne), but science sometimes is used for practical applications and art for applications of skill. Main modern (restricted) sense of "body of regular or methodical observations or propositions ... concerning any subject or speculation" is attested from 1725; in 17c.-18c. this concept commonly was called philosophy. To blind (someone) with science "confuse by the use of big words or complex explanations" is attested from 1937, originally noted as a phrase from Australia and New Zealand.
 
 
physics Look up physics at Dictionary.com
1589, "natural science," from physic (q.v.) in sense of "natural science." Specific sense of "science treating of properties of matter and energy" is from 1715. Physicist coined 1840 by Eng. philosopher William Whewell (1794-1866) to denote a "cultivator of physics" as opposed to a physician.
pseudo-science Look up pseudo-science at Dictionary.com
"a pretended or mistaken science," 1844, from pseudo- (q.v.) + science.
physiology Look up physiology at Dictionary.com
1564, "study and description of natural objects," from L. physiologia "natural science, study of nature," from Gk. physiologia "natural science," from physio-, comb. form of physis "nature" (see physic) + logia "study." Meaning "science of the normal function of living things" is attested from 1615.
physic Look up physic at Dictionary.com
1297, "art of healing, medical science," also "natural science" (c.1300), from O.Fr. fisike "natural science, art of healing" (12c.), from L. physica (fem. sing.) "study of nature," from Gk. physike episteme "knowledge of nature," from fem. of physikos "pertaining to nature," from physis "nature," from phyein "to bring forth, produce, make to grow" (cf. phyton "growth, plant," phyle "tribe, race," phyma "a growth, tumor") from PIE base *bheu- "to be exist, grow" (cf. O.E. beon "to be," see be). Especially in Gk. ta physika, lit. "the natural things," name of Aristotle's treatise on nature. The verb meaning "to dose with medicine" is attested from 1377.

 

As Pauli had once stated

"Division and reduction of symmetry, this then is the kernel of the brute! The former is the ancient attribute of the devil"

so is science an improvement? in the gnosis, or istamai stasis or something else?

astronomy or astrology? 

astronomy Look up astronomy at Dictionary.com
1205, from O.Fr. astronomie, from L. astronomia, from Gk. astronomia, from astron "star" (from PIE base *ster- "star") + nomos "arranging, regulating," related to nemein "to deal out" (see numismatics). Used earlier than astrology and originally including it. Astronomical is 1556 as "concerning astronomy;" as "concerning very large figures" it dates from 1899. Astrophysics first recorded 1869.
astrology Look up astrology at Dictionary.com
c.1375, from L. astrologia "astronomy," from Gk. astrologia "telling of the stars," from astron "star" + -logia "treating of," comb. form of logon "one who speaks (in a certain manner)." Originally identical with astronomy, it had also a special sense of "practical astronomy, astronomy applied to prediction of events." This was divided into natural astrology "the calculation and foretelling of natural phenomenon" (tides, eclipses, etc.), and judicial astrology "the art of judging occult influences of stars on human affairs" (also known as stromancy, 1652). Differentiation began late 1400s and by 17c. this word was limited to "reading influences of the stars and their effects on human destiny."

 

chemistry or alchemy?

chemistry Look up chemistry at Dictionary.com
1605 (see chemical), originally "alchemy;" the meaning "natural physical process" is 1646, and the scientific study not so called until 1788. The figurative sense of "instinctual attraction or affinity" is older, c.1600, from the alchemical sense.
alchemy Look up alchemy at Dictionary.com
1362, from O.Fr. alkemie, from M.L. alkimia, from Arabic al-kimiya, from Gk. khemeioa (found c.300 C.E. in a decree of Diocletian against "the old writings of the Egyptians"), all meaning "alchemy." Perhaps from an old name for Egypt (Khemia, lit. "land of black earth," found in Plutarch), or from Gk. khymatos "that which is poured out," from khein "to pour," related to khymos "juice, sap." The word seems to have elements of both origins.
"Mahn ... concludes, after an elaborate investigation, that Gr. khymeia was probably the original, being first applied to pharmaceutical chemistry, which was chiefly concerned with juices or infusions of plants; that the pursuits of the Alexandrian alchemists were a subsequent development of chemical study, and that the notoriety of these may have caused the name of the art to be popularly associated with the ancient name of Egypt." [OED]
The al- is the Arabic definite article, "the." The art and the name adopted by the Arabs from Alexandrians and thence returned to Europe via Spain. Alchemy was the "chemistry" of the Middle Ages and early modern times, since c.1600 applied distinctively to the pursuit of the transmutation of baser metals into gold, which, along with the search for the universal solvent and the panacea, were the chief occupations of early chemistry.
 

As they say or see nowdays with words...

Greeks had no devils, so I guess one should start understanding what his language means before it is forgotten completly? why

why Look up why at Dictionary.com
O.E. hwi, instrumental case (showing for what purpose or by what means) of hwæt (see what), from P.Gmc. *khwi (cf. O.S. hwi, O.N. hvi), from PIE *qwei, locative of *qwo- "who" (cf. Gk. pei "where"). As an interjection of surprise or to call attention to a statement, recorded from 1519.

 

  

Today I was gathering some work to send it regarding synchronous events, and at  the same time a song played which I found of my liking,then another and other,  if everything binds so do the songs and the meanings to the ones who hear them, they are represanttions of ourselves and what we are?

That from the external reality we create the reality that is a coherence of our condition to the outside, that this outside is not known, but it forms according to our conditions

As they say the synchronous manifests in chain of events that link without cause or effect?,

 could there be cause and effect? or are events more like syncronous and because we can not perceive them create the language? or how we perceive? is the language part of that?
Or  ? either? other?

I will paste only song one part of the synchronous? the post is long enought,
F.E.A.R Lyrics

For each a road For everyman a religion Find everybody and rue
F*** everything and rumble
Forget everything and remember
For everything a reason
Forgive everybody and remember

For each a road
For everyman a religion
Face everybody and rue
F*** everything and rumble
Forget everything and remember
For everything a reason

F.E.A.R

Finding eternity
arouses reactions
Freeing excellence
affects reality
Fallen empires are ruling
Find earth and reap

Fantastic expectations
Amazing revelations
Final execution and resurrection
Free expression as revolution
Finding everything and realizing
You got the fear
F.E.A.R. (You got the fear)

(Fantastic expectations
Amazing revelations
Finding everyone and reuniting
For everything a reason)

F.E.A.R. (You got the fear)
You got the fear
 

But the lyrics seem more than I ching than lyrics,  i ching is of course or on course nonsense?

fear (n.) Look up fear at Dictionary.com
O.E. fær "danger, peril," from P.Gmc. *færa (cf. O.S. far "ambush," O.N. far "harm, distress, deception," Ger. Gefahr "danger"), from PIE base *per- "to try, risk, come over, go through" (perhaps connected with Gk. peira "trial, attempt, experience," L. periculum "trial, risk, danger"). Sense of "uneasiness caused by possible danger" developed c.1175.

Filika,

Thanasis

Ps : Not to be minterpreted, I have only hints and not knowledge, I give only a view, and not a belief, though at some times it looks like and becomes at some point, the following days it evaporates, difficult to be clear, it takes years, of the juman an dis every day with effort.  

knowledge where? 

form morphy, scheme

scheme (n.) Look up scheme at Dictionary.com
1553, "figure of speech," from M.L. schema "shape, figure, form, figure of speech," from Gk. skhema (gen. skhematos) "figure, appearance, the nature of a thing," related to skhein "to get," and ekhein "to have," from PIE base *segh- "to hold, to hold in one's power, to have" (cf. Skt. sahate "he masters," sahah "power, victory;" Avestan hazah "power, victory;" Gk. ekhein "to have, hold;" Goth. sigis, O.H.G. sigu, O.N. sigr, O.E. sige "victory").

 

 see?>= seem?>= scheme?>= seam?

why scheme?  from PIE base *segh- "to hold, to hold in one's power, to have" (cf. Skt. sahate "he masters," sahah "power, victory;" Avestan hazah "power, victory;"

why? this relation?

relation Look up relation at Dictionary.com
1390, from Anglo-Fr. relacioun, O.Fr. relacion (14c.), from L. relationem (nom. relatio) "a bringing back, restoring," from relatus (see relate). Meaning "person related by blood or marriage" first attested 1502. Relationship "sense of being related" is from 1744; meaning "an affair, a romantic or sexual relationship" is attested from 1944.

 

And the truth? verify? very?

 Should we think of the mythis or the stars or the epistime or the language, one of each, some of each, all or none?

Peira or speira?

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