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Re: non-natural philosophy
Th and Stan: "axiomatic thesis"? I have a terrible definition:
we call axioms those figments that are necessary to keep our theories workable.
(Forget about 1 + 1 = 2 and the entire math is lost. That does not mean
that the world is lost, just our 'perceived reality' has to be changed). Maybe
to a better one? Let's try it?<GG>
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Another is 'bifurcation', the stingy scientist who restricts nature's
capability to select between ways into those TWO alternates what WE, humans are
capable of recognising. Nature may have more (as: tetrafurcation,
gigafurcation?) Just keep away from the 'infinite'.
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Math is human invention upon having invented quantities (D.Bohm).
It started with smaller, larger, then '2' (hands etc.) and half of that.
My (non IndoEuropean) mother tongue calls a one-legged person a
"half-legged one, a lost eye makes a 'half-eyer'. Different logic.
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Greek is a 'language' developed under living circumstances within a
territory and its inhabitants. - OR?? - Since I like the idea that the
Aegeian archipelago is the remnant of a tsunami that destroyed -
'Atlantis' (in THIS area, not in the Atlantic Ocean) Greek may have much older
roots than what the present history is accounting for. The survivors on the
mountaintops...they think, can 'talk' but lost all technical facilities. (Crete may have saved some mental heritage).
Maybe even the language underwent so huge changes that it did adjust to the
later formulated communicational patterns from other areas. So may be
the lesser developed cultural languages that lack of a firm origination
(Dravidians, Basques, Albanians to name some).
Happy 4th of July
John M
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:47
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Subject: Re: non-natural philosophy
Thanasis --
There is a description that
consciousness is at rare events consistent and axiomatic in its behavior and
when it moves towards axiomatic thesis of consistency it has terrible time
doing it, (might it also collapse?). So in that scale one might ask
why. Why it remains vague. The difficulty of memorization could? be an
example- proof of this.
A thing that changes continuously in a
pattern has difficulty in changing its pattern but the fact is why? why do
we have such trouble changing ourselves, which axiom is the axiom when
axioms constantly change?
I am looking for its characteristics
in order to define her. (Characteristics I call a description beyond
borders, of its phenotype, without correlations.)
Can I ever express what
I want to like the first time-unless I memorize it, or it comes out of
memory? If my ruminations are free every description will be different and
at rare times would they be of the depth I desire in order thought is
identical to expression, as to give me a sense of fulfillment. And the
question is why the different ruminations, what this means for consciousness
lying in certain margins of meanings.
The consistency could lie
in places where the theory of the noose takes place, the base that negates
itself, as is Godel theorem, which disproves
itself.
Now to dynamics themselves, I wonder what
bifurcation is indeed. You see now in my world there exist a variety of
phenomena and events which are expressed in a multi faceted way.
There is
a hypothesis I have not checked yet, and do not know if I will, that the
Greek language and therefore mostly the ancient Greek where it derives from,
is an axiomatic language, and has a similarity to logical structuring or is
of stricly logical structuring?.
Which means what in the multi faceted
world were everything is connected?
Math and Greek are of
similar origin? of ancient greek origin? And if it is ?
so?
What
do math really create with their sympolism?
Possible answers?
S: Certainty. Not possible in the
World, but possible in math and logic (if you keep it simple!).
So does have to do with Godel, dynamics with
Godel?
math of Godel to math to dynamics to language to Godel
We
forgot something Greece.
We add that up.
Greece to ancient
And this
is dynamics?
"The pendulum of the mind oscillates between sense
and nonsense, not between right and
wrong"
Jung
math of Godel to math to dynamics
to language to Godel to Jung to math to dynamics
Sense to
math?
math to sense?
we go again
math of Godel
to math to dynamics to language to Godel to Jung to math to
dynamics
sense to math to Greece to ancient to math to sense to Godel to
Jung?
ancient goes to?
yes history
history to ancient to
math to history to ancient
math of Godel to math to dynamics to
language to Godel to Jung to math to dynamics
sense to math to Greece to
ancient to math to sense to Godel to Jung to history to ancient to math to
history to ancient to Godel to dynamics to history to dynamics to ancient
....
Tired.
Does anyone want to continue with
other interractions, what is the number called ? infinite, and
it comes from?
God it sounds all Greek to me?.
S: Have another hit.
STAN
If
one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool
as one said long ago.
But who cares about Jung, Jung thoughts were
nonsense he says that the greatest and most important problems of life are
all fundamentally insoluble. They can never be solved but only
outgrown.
?
Wonder what growth could be...
Should I
add a sense to growth to the calculation and calculation to Godel
to fundamentally
insoluble?.
Best,
Thanasis, unemployed
physicist, guess some kind of a fool, whatever a fool is,( guess
my Greek is better than my English)
Ps:Should I add
that up to the list? and that is which list?
and the purpose of the list
to the ones subscribing to dynamics to me to the ones who created it to
me to language to purpose to sense to Godel to logic to madness to
sense to language?
Sense is being...
wonder who said
that?
what sense and what
being?
Welcome to
Gestalt
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